Veteran Voice.info

VVi is for you, all veterans, regardless of whether you belong to a veteran organization or not. VVi is a distribution centre, a conduit for making sure that the information you need as a veteran is there for you in a timely fashion. Our aim is to provide a forum for all Canadian veterans, serving members and their families to have access to information pertaining to veteran rights.

VVi is an independent site, not associated with any governmental department, agency or veteran organization. VeteranVoice.info is maintained by independent contributions.

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The Saga Continues

 What is the MVA's reasoning for not including VeteranVoice.info (VVi) in the 24 Oct Veterans Affairs Advisory/ Stakeholder Committee?

VVi 20 Oct 2011 db

Truthfully, the MVA's refusal to have VVi attend the 24 Oct Stakeholder Meeting was expected. If you were the MVA or one of the well paid VAC senior bureaucrats, would you want a well established, very knowledgeable, capable, large and unwavering veteran advocacy organization to be at one of your meetings?

Copies of the email correspondence may be found below, most recent first.

I personally do not know the exact reasoning behind the MVA's decision, but from years of monitoring VAC, a number of possibilities present themselves. Maybe I should explain a probable reason why VAC may be nervous to be sitting at the same table as VVi by reviewing what VVI is, and where it came from. Minister Blaney, as requested, what follows is your presentation on VeteranVoice.info.

VVi has been established in one form or another since 1998. In its current form, since 2003. It consists of a dedicated, and an extremely knowledgeable staff as well as excellent, long-time veteran advocate contributors and advocacy subject experts. Most importantly, it has a subscriber list that has hovered above the 100,000 mark for the past three years.

Is VVi a 'media outlet' as the MVA's Director of Policy, Andrew Bernardo, claims? Simply, the response is no. It is true that VVi wants to get all information dealing with veteran issues out to the veteran community. As clearly stated in our mandate on the web (one cannot miss it http://www.veteranvoice.info/WebPages/1home.html), VeteranVoice.info is an electronic information system (IS) and provider (IP), to maintain a centralized database and dissemination centre for all veteran-related news, articles, notices, correspondence and comment available to ALL veterans. 

Within the same opening page, it is also clearly stated that VVi is independent of any outside influence, be it government or what have you. Unlike the media, VVi is not out to make a buck. VeteranVoice.info makes absolutely no money; there is no monetary gain. In fact, the opposite applies, as the website, the tools to enhance the website, provider services, etc are all funded from the pockets of the all-volunteer staff. Since 2003, and beyond, only one year did VVi have to turn to veterans for financial assistance. The response was immediate and overwhelming to the point that the request for gifts of money was turned off very shortly after the fund-raising campaign had begun. Veteran's donations came in so fast and in larger amounts then expected that VVi swiftly met its expences for the whole year. Currently, through personal saving, as well as access to credit, VVi operating costs have been paid out to 2020. 

Yes, VeteranVoice.info intends to be around for a long time to come and to continue to publish information pertinent to veteran issues. The staff look on VVi , not as a cashless job, but as a duty. From years of uniformed service to the time of their release, this sense of duty has been ingrained into their beings, that duty to country cannot and does not end with the removal of the uniform. Hence, the formation of VVi's motto:

The Veteran's Duty 

  We, the veterans of today, 

  are  to prepare the way  

  for those that follow..... 

What is most disturbing is not that this is a slap in the face to VVi. Rather, it is so transparent that the new MVA and the entrenched senior bureaucrats have no intention to change or to evoke substantive rewrites of the NVC. It appears that this newly established Stakeholder Committee will again be nothing more than a departmental PR ploy, informing the mass media, that once again VAC has met and discussed with the veteran stakeholders, and everything is just fine. Tid-bits will be given out and made to sound as if it is a significant bonus to veterans, where in reality, the mathematical calculations say otherwise. This is the reason as Publisher VeteranVoice.info, I has to put something in print. Samo-samo is not good enough. Drastic, positive change to the NVC is what is needed, and now. Our veterans deserve no less.

 

CJ Wallace CD plsc 

Publisher VVi

publisher@veteranvoice.info 

 

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Email Correspondence - Stakeholder Committee

 

From: Perry Gray 
Sent: 19-Oct-11 22:30
To: greg.kerr@parl.gc.ca; Sean.Casey@parl.gc.ca; peter.stoffer@parl.gc.ca; dallar@sen.parl.gc.ca; plettd@sen.parl.gc.ca
Cc: Blaney.S@parl.gc.ca
Subject: Steven Blaney Excludes Veterans from Stakeholders Meeting

Gentlemen,

I am writing to inform you that the Minister of Veterans Affairs has decided to exclude veterans from his scheduled meeting with stakeholders on Monday, October 24, 2011.  His office was sent requests to include representatives of Veteran Voice and he chose to decline in the mistaken believe that VVi is merely a media outlet.  The staff of VVi are all veterans and have worked diligently to provide the Veterans Community of Canada with information of particular interest to this community and other interested Canadians.  

The e-mails exchange between VVi and the minister's office are included below so that you can read for yourself what has been written.  

It is surprising that the minister has made this decision considering the reason for the formation of the stakeholders committee. His excuse that it is too late to invite additional veterans is consider very insulting and insincere.  It is not as if a few additional places could not be found as there was never any intent to suggest that VVi would be inviting all members of the Veterans Community (over 800,000 Canadians) and any interested family members to attend.  It certainly would be nice if the minister could accommodate any stakeholder who wanted to attend.  
 
His decision is consider another glaring example of the unwillingness of his department to treat Veterans with dignity and respect.  It also is very contrary to the government's position on transparency and accountability.  Instead it is a very obvious example of the long term policy within VAC to reveal as little as possible and operate in secrecy.

I hope that you will share this information with your colleagues in Parliament. 

Yours truly,
 
Perry Gray CD

From: Sean K 
Sent: 19-Oct-11 20:26
To: Blaney.S@parl.gc.ca; Andrew Bernardo; Perry Gray
Cc: Don Leonardo; VVis-groupof7
Subject: Re: VAC Advisory Council Meeting: VeteranVoice.info

Dear Minister
 
I fully support Perry Gray's attendance as representing Veteranvoice.info as he indicates below. I also fully support seeking an apology from the Minister on October 24 to Veteranvoice.info, its executive and community.
 
If Perry Gray is refused admittance then you will have forced supportive parties concerned to seek other more public measures which will bring attention to this matter.
 
How sad that this all could be avoided with a simple invitation. This, Minister is just the beginning of unified action by veterans and groups of which bureaucratic insensitivity and intransigence is terrified.
  
 
Respectfully
Sean Bruyea

From: Perry Gray
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: VAC Advisory Council Meeting: VeteranVoice.info

Dear Sir,

I am more than disappointed by your cavalier dismissal of Veteran Voice as a major representative of the Veterans Community.  You have invited a number of groups that claim to represent Veterans and yet you do not have any specific standards for such groups.  A group needs only a fancy title and a warm body to fill a chair at one of your stakeholder meetings.  It is quite possible that such groups have a membership of one.  In that case, you are have ostracised hundreds of thousands of members of the Veterans Community as any one of them could form a group tomorrow and demand representation.  

You falsely claim to be interested in the stakeholders but are ignorant of the stakeholders and their concerns.  This is apparent from the failure to responsibly consider most of the recommendations to the NVC from stakeholders, who were members of various advisory groups.  These groups were created by your own department.  

I plan to attend the meeting on 24 October at which time I expect a public apology from the minister.  If he is unwilling to meet then I shall be informing the media that the minister refuses to follow his own policies with regards to communicating with Veterans and involving them in discussions about Veterans issues.  In fact I shall state that the minister gave VVi the finger along with all of its subscribers and readership within the Veterans Community.

Since you believe that Veteran Voice is merely a media outlet, then I shall seek redress from the "fourth estate".

Perry Gray
Editor

From: Sean K 

To: Andrew Bernardo <Andrew.Bernardo@vac-acc.gc.ca>; Blaney.S@parl.gc.ca
Cc: VVis-groupof7 <groupof7@veteranvoice.info>; Don Leonardo <don@veteransofcanada.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:32:52 PM
Subject: Re: VAC Advisory Council Meeting: VeteranVoice.info

Dear Mr. Bernardo and Minister Blaney
 
It is unfortunate that you have delayed this issue considerably and then justified the exclusion of VeteranVoice.info upon reasons of tardiness.
 
We note your offer to brief you on our organizational structure of VeteranVoice.info. We fear that you have been unduly prejudiced by your bureaucratic advisors.
 
Minister Blaney, have you asked all organizations present to give an equal account of their organizational structure? Have you asked for an independent audit of their membership? Have you asked for proof that these organizations actually consult their membership when they claim they represent their membership in supporting what are purely VAC and not stakeholder initiatives?
 
Until such a time as you demand this of other organizations, we feel it highly discriminatory to ask this of VeteranVoice.info to provide such a briefing. To our knowledge, VAC has never asked such briefings of any stakeholders.
 
However, if your true concern is (as we hope) the current well-being of veterans and their families, we will brief you. If your are willing to fulfill your mandate and openly receive independent input from the veteran and their families you claim to serve instead of heavily filtered and biased information from the bureaucracy, then we will brief you.
 
Otherwise, your request to place Veteranvoice.info under discriminatory and unfair scrutiny smacks of continued attempts to punish the large community of VeteranVoice.info because, as multiple internal Privacy Act documents in my possession reveal, senior VAC bureaucrats have taken an apparent biased approach to some of our executive members and/or our organization.
 
Your request also smacks of placing more effort into bureaucratic procedures than any willingness to listen to the truth from the clients and veterans you are legally mandated to serve.
 
Please let us know soonest if you wish to receive a briefing from VeteranVoice.info on the needs and difficulties of your legally mandated community. Please let us know if you wish to receive recommendations for improving the well-being of the  wide-ranging community of veterans, CF, RCMP, VAC employees and the families of all.
 
That is, please let us know if you wish to receive information more in keeping with the legal duties of a Minister as spelled out in section 4 of The Department of Veterans Affairs Act, the act which legally defines your ministerial raison d'être.
 
We look forward to receiving your invitation to brief you on our stakeholder input as required by your legal mandate.
 
Sincerely
 
Sean Bruyea
On Behalf of the VeteranVoice.info Executive and Advocacy Arm

 

From: Andrew Bernardo
To: 'seankis@rogers.com'
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: VAC Advisory Council Meeting: VeteranVoice.info

Mr. Bruyea,

Thank you for your correspondence regarding the inclusion of VeteransVoice.ca in the upcoming VAC Stakeholder Committee. 

Unfortunately, the membership for the October 24 meeting has been established. 

This being said, it is important to know that this is not the last meeting that the committee will have. 

I can assure you we will carefully consider VeteransVoice's request for the next meeting. 

In the interim, I would encourage Mr. Wallace or Mr. Gray (or yourself as a member of the executive) to get in contact with me at andrew.bernardo@vac-acc.gc.ca to set up a meet and greet (perhaps including a presentation by veteransvoice on their mandate, organizational structure, etc.) with myself and our policy advisor in charge of stakeholder relations in the near future. 

Best Regards,

Andrew

As a sidenote, I will get in touch with you within the next couple weeks with regards to setting up a meeting between you and I re: your previous emails. Have a good evening.

To: Andrew.Bernardo@vac-acc.gc.ca; Frederik.Boisvert@vac-acc.gc.ca
CC: Steven.Blaney@vac-acc.gc.ca;

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:15:07 -0400
Subject: Re: VAC Advisory Council Meeting: VeteranVoice.info

Dear Minister Blaney and Mr. Boisvert,

I trust you have had sufficient time to reconsider an invitation for VeteranVoice.info to attend the Advisory Committee on Monday October 24, 2011.

It has come to our attention that the Office of the Veterans Ombudsman supports the attendance of VeteranVoice.info.

As you are also aware, I will be attending the meeting in my capacity as Special Advisor to Don Leonardo and VeteransofCanada.ca. I am an advisor to a number of organizations and individuals and each of my capacities requires that I devote my attention to the organization at hand.  As such, I will not be representing VeteranVoice.info. This leaves VeteranVoice.info uninvited and unrepresented.

I respectfully ask on behalf of VeteranVoice.info and its executive that you, as an alternative to my representation, invite executive members Perry Gray and Ron Cundell. The Chief Executive Officer, CJ Wallace is otherwise unavailable.

The attendance of both individuals is necessary in order to accommodate their disabilities by providing mutual support which would otherwise make individual attendance deleterious to their health.

Mr. Gray resides in Ottawa. However, Mr. Cundell resides an hour north of Toronto. As such, he will have to make appropriate travel and accommodation arrangements. I therefore request that you provide formal invitations to these to two VeteranVoice.info executives no later than 18:00 (6:00p.m.) on Wednesday, October 19, 2011.

On behalf of VeteranVoice.info, I thank you for your attention to the matter.


From: Sean K
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:45 PM
Subject: VAC Advisory Council Meeting: VeteranVoice.info

Dear Minister Blaney
 
Perhaps we did not explain the role of VeteranVoice.info sufficiently clearly. VeteranVoice.info is not a media outlet any more than the Royal Canadian Legion is a Media Outlet because it publishes the Legion magazine.
 
VeteransVoice.info is both an information portal as well as a community of veterans, family members and associated stakeholders including VAC employees. As such, VeteranVoice.info can both represent the views of this community as well inform this community of relevant issues affecting the community.
 
It has come to our attention that the Stakeholder Committee meeting involves the participation of such veterans' groups as the Gulf War Veterans, NATO and CPVA as well as CAVUNP. The GWVA is unable to provide any evidence of a registered membership. Its representation is restricted apparently to just one member, the representative VAC invited. The other organisations mentioned refuse to confirm their membership numbers publicly but it is certain that their membership combined is less than 2000 members but likely less than 1000, few of which are actively participating in advocacy issues.

No organisation invited other than VeteransofCanada.ca and CVA can provide evidence that any issues they raise at the meeting represent a timely membership's consensus of sorts. VeteranVoice.info gathers timely input from the much of the veteran, family, VAC employee and professional treatment community. With a subscription base of more than 100,000 individuals plus the participants in the most extensive internet veteran sharing community, VeteranVoice's executive advocacy represents the views, interests and concerns of more CF veterans than all other organisations combined. 
 
At VeteranVoice.info, we note with great enthusiasm the following written commitment from the Department and the Minister regarding the Committee:
 
"the objective of this committee is to provide a forum for representatives of both traditional and non-traditional veterans’ organizations, as well as others such as the Veterans Ombudsman, to come together in partnership with Veterans Affairs Canada to discuss issues of common interest and concern related to the advancement of Veterans policy and programs."
 
We would like to correct any misperception you may have. VeteranVoice.info is indeed a non-traditional veteran organization. It is also an innovative approach to bringing together VAC stakeholders. As you are well aware,VAC has been consistently criticised for failing to reach out to the greater community.
 
It would be a disservice to the largest single community of CF veteran and associated stakeholders if VAC were to deny an invitation to VeteranVoice.info. Considering VAC has invited an organization with just one member, it would be both short-sighted and highly discriminatory to deny VeteranVoice.info a seat at the table.
 
We look forward to receiving your reconsideration of this matter soonest.
 
Sean Bruyea
on behalf of the VeteranVoice.info Executive.

 

From: Andrew Bernardo
To: sean k
Cc: Frederik Boisvert ; Steven Blaney
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Sean Bruyea Re: VAC Advisory Council Meeting

Mr. Bruyea,
 
Thank you very much for your expression of interest in having VeteransVoice.info participate in our newly established Veterans Affairs Stakeholder Committee. 
 
As you know, the objective of this committee is to provide a forum for representatives of both traditional and non-traditional veterans’ organizations, as well as others such as the Veterans Ombudsman, to come together in partnership with Veterans Affairs Canada to discuss issues of common interest and concern related to the advancement of Veterans policy and programs.
 
Unfortunately, it is not intended as a forum for media outlets.   
 
I note, however, that Veterans of Canada, a stakeholder organization of which you are a member of its advisory council, will be represented at the stakeholder committee this month. 
 
Your continued interest in Veteran's issues is appreciated.
 
 
Best Regards,
 
 
Andrew Bernardo
 
 
Director of Policy
To the Hon. Steven Blaney
 
tel. (613) 996-4649
fax. (613) 954-1054

From: Sean K 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 03:02 PM
To: Andrew Bernardo; Steven Blaney <steven.blaney@parl.gc.ca>; Frederik Boisvert
Subject: Sean Bruyea Re: VAC Advisory Council Meeting

Dear Minister Blaney

 
I would like to follow-up on the letter sent to you on the part of VeteranVoice.info and the respectful request to attend the planned VAC Advisory Council meeting.
 
Could you please let me know the status of your decision to invite VeteranVoice.info. The 100,000+ subscribers and the advocacy executive are conscious of the fact that we are in October, the intended month when the meeting is to be held.
 
I look forward to your response soonest.

Thank you Minister Blaney
Sean Bruyea
 
cc. VeteranVoice Executive

 

From: Sean K 
To: Andrew Bernardo; Steven Blaney <steven.blaney@parl.gc.ca>; Frederik Boisvert

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:05 PM

Subject: VeteranVoice.info Letter to Minister Blaney

Dear Minister Blaney

Please find attached a letter for your consideration. The letter requests an invitation for VeteranVoice.info representatives to attend the upcoming bilateral consultations between VAC and its stakeholders. We are a highly influential and prominent stakeholder in the community of CF, veterans, RCMP and their families.

Thank you for your Minister for your attention to this matter.


 

 

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Public Not Wanted  

By Chief Editor VVi, Perry Gray

VVi19 Oct 2011 db

VAC has once again demonstrated its lack of openness with regards to Veterans’ issues, particularly for those of the Veterans Community that do not belong to a recognised organisation.  Just in case anyone is not aware, the majority of the Veterans Community is not represented officially by any one group.  There are many that claim to represent a majority; however, no group can produce a membership list that includes the majority of the more than 800,000 Veterans and dependants who are part of our community.  Only a select few have been invited to attend the Veterans Affairs Stakeholder Committee on 24 October.  The invitees do not include anyone from Veteran Voice, which is a non-traditional organisation in that it does not have members just over 100,000 subscribers. The Veterans Ombudsman recommended that VVi be invited to the meeting.  Having as many groups as possible seems to be reasonable if the Minister of Veterans Affairs truly believes in the purpose of having such meetings:

“VAC is developing an approach to stakeholder engagement which is more flexible and adaptable, will evolve with time and will help position the Department to respond to Veterans and their evolving needs, as well as those of their families.”

If VVi and other groups are not involved then it indicates that VAC will continue its long term habit of excluding the Veterans Community from any meaningful discussions of important issues.  This was unfortunately the tactic employed in the development of the NVC, which resulted in many Veterans being stripped of services and benefits available to the Veterans Community up to 2006. 

VAC seems more inclined to rely upon its bureaucrats, academics and consultants to develop its services and programs rather than the only stakeholders who matter, and that is everyone in the Veterans Community.  

The exclusion of stakeholders from a Stakeholder Committee is another reason for a second national protest on 5 November, 2011. 

VAC believes that VVi is a media outlet.  This is wrong.  VVi is a Veterans organisation staffed by Veterans to provide information about the Veterans Community.

One other major criticism of the Stakeholder Committee is the lack of time to discuss issues.  The minister will only have two meetings scheduled each year.  Furthermore only five or six issues will be addressed each meeting.  This is a ridiculously low number given that there are almost 400 outstanding recommendations to the NVC, which VAC refuses to implement as well as thousands of outstanding complaints with regards to the lack of support for the Veterans Community.  Systemic problems date back many decades and are one of the main reasons that VAC finally agreed to the appointment of an ombudsman (after many complaints to the federal government).

All members of the Veterans Community should be outraged by the lack of interest expressed by the MVA and the federal government.  We are being treated like disenfranchised citizens instead of getting the dignity and respect that Canada repeatedly says that it should give in return for the sacrifices of the Veterans Community.  Many politicians and bureaucrats have said that the national debt owed to the Veterans Community cannot be realistically repaid, but that does not stop VAC from reneging as much as possible and as frequently as possible.

Mr Blaney remember that God gave you two ears and one mouth.  It may be better to do more listening than talking.  On 24 October, listen to your stakeholders and hold your tongue until the end of the meeting.

See pdf copy...  

 

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Canadian Army Veteran Motorcycle Units (The CAV):

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Canadian Veteran Adventure Foundation http://www.canadianveteranadventurefoundation.com/index.html

 

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VViPetitions http://www.veteranvoice.info/WebPages/5Petitions.html 
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and War-Related Stress: http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/content/mhealth/ptsd_warstress/ptsd_warstress_e.pdf
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Summary of CF Programs and Services for Ill or Injured CF Members (PDF) http://www.veteranvoice.info/Archive/info_09dec_CF Programs and Services-Draft-Dec_16_09 1.pdf
VViVeteranVoice.info On-Going Issues http://www.veteranvoice.info/WebPages/3bon_going_issues.html
VViVeteranVoice.info CSAT Forum: http://csat.top-talk.net/index.htm 
VViVeteranVoice.info Database: http://www.veteranvoice.info/db/query_record_type_search.asp 
VViVeteranVoice.info Archive: http://www.veteranvoice.info/WebPages/4barchive.html 
VViVeteranVoice.info Links: http://www.veteranvoice.info/WebPages/7alinks.html 

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Transition Services

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http://www.ombudsman-veterans.gc.ca/
Veterans of Canada http://veteransofcanada.ca/ 
Wounded Warriors Fund: http://www.woundedwarriors.ca/

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